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Aranha Joined: Fri Nov 14, 2008 8:50 am Posts: 1556 Location: Stockholm, Sweden	Re: Brute should have thrust pack. UrKungFuNoGood wrote: -AEnubis- wrote: Which is completely the fault of HiRez. The game is designed in a way where "maining a class" is encouraged. Between the amount of weapon variations to be learned, class limitations, and specializations, or the progression and investment of XP into whatever class you're playing, then the notion of having one class mastered, and not the others, how slow the unassisted grind was at first, and just the general RPG like nature people quickly identify with a single class. Even if they aren't the type to do that, they can gravitate towards whatever class or classes cover the most bases, like the SLD being a jack of all trades class. With proper understanding of human behavior and design, you would be surprised what HiRez had control over. Responsibility for everything that is wrong with this game or community they can be held fully responsible for. That's only if you expect to be given everything for free. The GOTY is 30.00 USD and between XP and money spent on individual items you can max four classes in a short time. It doesn't take that long to max one class even just on XP alone so I don't agree with that assessment. @Aranha: Personally I think if you're running out of energy with heavies you're not setting yourself up properly. Sometimes you can just camp one spot and barely get bothered, other times you have medium defense chasing you around. In cases where base D is doing a good job of keeping you from shelling the stand and defenses you need to learn how to ski and shoot. Work your way into a hilly section like behind the base in Tartarus for example and unless the guy chasing you is at least above average or better you will be able to regen which he can see and nine times out of ten he will stop chasing at that point. And you have partially done your job by pulling defense away from flag. If you get good with X1 and Mortar it's almost unfair to play Jugg. You don't have to be way up in th air for mortar to be effective. Learn how to time your jets with how the guy is shooting and bait him. Nearly everyone is a ground pounder so learn his rhythm and use it against him. Strategy and tactics are a big part of this game even in a DM situation. Haha did you just try to lecture me on Heavies?! I... I dont even know how to react to this! Pumpelche im scared and confused! :O _________________ EU London - [iSMG] Karmasutra Karma's Data Thread! Weapon Data & Test Lab
Wed Jul 31, 2013 3:50 am

Pumpelche Joined: Tue Aug 09, 2011 2:22 am Posts: 2000 Location: Switzerland Steam Gamer Name: Pumpelche	Re: Brute should have thrust pack. We all learn new things every day, dear friend! =) _________________ REMOVED FROM THE HARDDRIVE - GG HR LOSERS How God imagined Juggernauts should be played..
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Aranha Joined: Fri Nov 14, 2008 8:50 am Posts: 1556 Location: Stockholm, Sweden	Re: Brute should have thrust pack. Pumpelche wrote: We all learn new things every day, dear friend! =) VGN! I cannot accept that! _________________ EU London - [iSMG] Karmasutra Karma's Data Thread! Weapon Data & Test Lab
Wed Jul 31, 2013 4:58 am

Melanious Joined: Thu Apr 26, 2012 1:22 pm Posts: 2232 Location: NA West	Re: Brute should have thrust pack. Aranha wrote: Pumpelche wrote: We all learn new things every day, dear friend! =) VGN! I cannot accept that! Pew Pew? Aranha, we just need to work on your acceptance of Nova Colt being BRT master race. _________________
Wed Jul 31, 2013 11:12 am

Aranha Joined: Fri Nov 14, 2008 8:50 am Posts: 1556 Location: Stockholm, Sweden	Re: Brute should have thrust pack. Melanious wrote: Aranha wrote: Pumpelche wrote: We all learn new things every day, dear friend! =) VGN! I cannot accept that! Pew Pew? Aranha, we just need to work on your acceptance of Nova Colt being BRT master race. NO! Never!! Hahaha _________________ EU London - [iSMG] Karmasutra Karma's Data Thread! Weapon Data & Test Lab
Wed Jul 31, 2013 11:18 am

Melanious Joined: Thu Apr 26, 2012 1:22 pm Posts: 2232 Location: NA West	Re: Brute should have thrust pack. Aranha wrote: Melanious wrote: Aranha wrote: VGN! I cannot accept that! Pew Pew? Aranha, we just need to work on your acceptance of Nova Colt being BRT master race. NO! Never!! Hahaha D: We will break you!! _________________
Wed Jul 31, 2013 11:21 am

Mindflayr Joined: Mon Oct 25, 2010 6:11 pm Posts: 603	Re: Brute should have thrust pack. UrKungFuNoGood wrote: I don't agree with broadening the scope of each class. Yeah, because a broad scope would be detrimental to a Tribes game...except t1, t2, etc. Not trying to be a jerk, just point out the obvious to veterans of the franchise. P.S. - I Don't Jugg to kill Gens, I use it to Clear Flags for my poor cappers faceplanting into Dstacks. -AEnubis- wrote: UrKungFuNoGood wrote: Each class has its function. That being said, think a big part of why this game is dying isn't Hi-Rez's fault. It's the fault of people who don't want to change class to fill a role that is going unfilled on a team. Which is completely the fault of HiRez. The game is designed in a way where "maining a class" is encouraged. Between the amount of weapon variations to be learned, class limitations, and specializations, or the progression and investment of XP into whatever class you're playing, then the notion of having one class mastered, and not the others, how slow the unassisted grind was at first, and just the general RPG like nature people quickly identify with a single class. What he said. In T2 Classic I had 20 Loadouts. Most would fall under what a Path or Jugg do in T:A (although I Also deployed like the Tech when my team needed it) with subtle. T:A Forced us away from subtle difference by making weapons/packs/belt items (lol) unique to each class. Having a single set of weps/packs/nades actually encourages people to play more roles because switching between them was easy and seamless leading to much less of the "Weve got 4 Snipers but No Chasers" type issues you have in TA. [Just Read the posts after the 1s I quoted and realized all of this was already covered]
Wed Jul 31, 2013 12:56 pm

Aranha Joined: Fri Nov 14, 2008 8:50 am Posts: 1556 Location: Stockholm, Sweden	Re: Brute should have thrust pack. Melanious wrote: D: We will break you!! NEVER!!!
Wed Jul 31, 2013 2:34 pm

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Aranha

Joined: Fri Nov 14, 2008 8:50 am
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Location: Stockholm, Sweden

Re: Brute should have thrust pack.

UrKungFuNoGood wrote:

-AEnubis- wrote:

Which is completely the fault of HiRez. The game is designed in a way where "maining a class" is encouraged. Between the amount of weapon variations to be learned, class limitations, and specializations, or the progression and investment of XP into whatever class you're playing, then the notion of having one class mastered, and not the others, how slow the unassisted grind was at first, and just the general RPG like nature people quickly identify with a single class. Even if they aren't the type to do that, they can gravitate towards whatever class or classes cover the most bases, like the SLD being a jack of all trades class.

With proper understanding of human behavior and design, you would be surprised what HiRez had control over. Responsibility for everything that is wrong with this game or community they can be held fully responsible for.

That's only if you expect to be given everything for free. The GOTY is 30.00 USD and between XP and money spent on individual items you can max four classes in a short time. It doesn't take that long to max one class even just on XP alone so I don't agree with that assessment.

@Aranha:
Personally I think if you're running out of energy with heavies you're not setting yourself up properly. Sometimes you can just camp one spot and barely get bothered, other times you have medium defense chasing you around. In cases where base D is doing a good job of keeping you from shelling the stand and defenses you need to learn how to ski and shoot. Work your way into a hilly section like behind the base in Tartarus for example and unless the guy chasing you is at least above average or better you will be able to regen which he can see and nine times out of ten he will stop chasing at that point. And you have partially done your job by pulling defense away from flag. If you get good with X1 and Mortar it's almost unfair to play Jugg. You don't have to be way up in th air for mortar to be effective. Learn how to time your jets with how the guy is shooting and bait him. Nearly everyone is a ground pounder so learn his rhythm and use it against him. Strategy and tactics are a big part of this game even in a DM situation.

Haha did you just try to lecture me on Heavies?!

I... I dont even know how to react to this! Pumpelche im scared and confused! :O

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Wed Jul 31, 2013 3:50 am

Pumpelche

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Re: Brute should have thrust pack.

We all learn new things every day, dear friend! =)

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Wed Jul 31, 2013 4:26 am

Aranha

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Re: Brute should have thrust pack.

Pumpelche wrote:

We all learn new things every day, dear friend! =)

VGN! I cannot accept that!

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Wed Jul 31, 2013 4:58 am

Melanious

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Re: Brute should have thrust pack.

Aranha wrote:

Pumpelche wrote:

We all learn new things every day, dear friend! =)

VGN! I cannot accept that!

Pew Pew?

Aranha, we just need to work on your acceptance of Nova Colt being BRT master race.

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Wed Jul 31, 2013 11:12 am

Aranha

Joined: Fri Nov 14, 2008 8:50 am
Posts: 1556
Location: Stockholm, Sweden

Re: Brute should have thrust pack.

Melanious wrote:

Aranha wrote:

Pumpelche wrote:

We all learn new things every day, dear friend! =)

VGN! I cannot accept that!

Pew Pew?

Aranha, we just need to work on your acceptance of Nova Colt being BRT master race.

NO! Never!! Hahaha

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Wed Jul 31, 2013 11:18 am

Melanious

Joined: Thu Apr 26, 2012 1:22 pm
Posts: 2232
Location: NA West

Re: Brute should have thrust pack.

Aranha wrote:

Melanious wrote:

Aranha wrote:

VGN! I cannot accept that!

Pew Pew?

Aranha, we just need to work on your acceptance of Nova Colt being BRT master race.

NO! Never!! Hahaha

D: We will break you!! :twisted:

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Wed Jul 31, 2013 11:21 am

Mindflayr

Joined: Mon Oct 25, 2010 6:11 pm
Posts: 603

Re: Brute should have thrust pack.

UrKungFuNoGood wrote:

I don't agree with broadening the scope of each class.

Yeah, because a broad scope would be detrimental to a Tribes game...except t1, t2, etc. Not trying to be a jerk, just point out the obvious to veterans of the franchise.

P.S. - I Don't Jugg to kill Gens, I use it to Clear Flags for my poor cappers faceplanting into Dstacks.

-AEnubis- wrote:

UrKungFuNoGood wrote:

Each class has its function. That being said, think a big part of why this game is dying isn't Hi-Rez's fault. It's the fault of people who don't want to change class to fill a role that is going unfilled on a team.

What he said. In T2 Classic I had 20 Loadouts. Most would fall under what a Path or Jugg do in T:A (although I Also deployed like the Tech when my team needed it) with subtle. T:A Forced us away from subtle difference by making weapons/packs/belt items (lol) unique to each class. Having a single set of weps/packs/nades actually encourages people to play more roles because switching between them was easy and seamless leading to much less of the "Weve got 4 Snipers but No Chasers" type issues you have in TA.

[Just Read the posts after the 1s I quoted and realized all of this was already covered]

Wed Jul 31, 2013 12:56 pm

Aranha

Joined: Fri Nov 14, 2008 8:50 am
Posts: 1556
Location: Stockholm, Sweden

Re: Brute should have thrust pack.

Melanious wrote:

D: We will break you!! :twisted:

NEVER!!!

Wed Jul 31, 2013 2:34 pm

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