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-AEnubis- Joined: Fri Aug 05, 2011 2:40 am Posts: 5290 Location: NA East	CTF Scoring V2 A lot of the other ideas got implemented, and the game got better for it. Here is a revised version of the rest. Frags from 400 to 300. Assists from 250 to 200. --Fragging should be of minimal reward unless done doing relevant tasks, as such the bonuses for frags in those areas should be more than the value of the frag alone. Flag-Defender should be mirror by Defense-Hater. Same points, one accolade for flag related offense, the other for defense. --Some of these may already be the case, whether they work correctly or not Flag-Defender to be applied when: Frags near your flag on the stand, or in the field. EFC Frags. Frags near EFC FFDs. Defense-Hater to be applied when: Frags near the enemy flag on the stand or in the field. Frags as the FFC. Frags near the FFC (or players who recently damaged the FFC). Frags in the enemy base (or near base assets). Defense Disruptor - 50 Mine Clearer - 10 Small bonuses for destroying deployed defenses near the flag. Flag Return: Base Return - 100 (bronze) {2/3 of map on your side} Mid Field Return - 200 (silver) {2/3 of map centered} Deep Return 300 - (gold) {2/3 of map on their side} Denied - 400 (obsidian) {25m of enemy stand} Returns would be more valuable for offense. Smart Return +200 when: Flag stays on stand for 10s after return. Flag is capped within 10s of return. Flag (dropped) is threatened in the field. --Reward good returns, and not "race your teammates to touch your flag." _________________ Physics \| CTF Scoring \| Team Selection
Mon Feb 18, 2013 1:18 pm

Melanious Joined: Thu Apr 26, 2012 1:22 pm Posts: 2232 Location: NA West	Re: CTF Scoring V2 Very nice, I approve of this message. -AEnubis- wrote: --Fragging should be of minimal reward unless done doing relevant tasks, as such the bonuses for frags in those areas should be more than the value of the frag alone. As a strong fragger, I completely agree with this. Really no reason to give incentive to midfield fragging more then any role in the game. _________________
Mon Feb 18, 2013 1:33 pm

Galileus Joined: Mon Jun 18, 2012 5:49 am Posts: 1522	Re: CTF Scoring V2 I would rethink defence-hater for "in enemy base", waaaay too huge boost for fractal gene party. Otherwise? Huge + _________________ ... it got a nice ring to it, don't ya think?
Mon Feb 18, 2013 1:42 pm

-AEnubis- Joined: Fri Aug 05, 2011 2:40 am Posts: 5290 Location: NA East	Re: CTF Scoring V2 Galileus wrote: I would rethink defence-hater for "in enemy base", waaaay too huge boost for fractal gene party. I did, it's a valid point, and that's why I thought I'd try "near assets" to include outdoor assets. Hopefully the point offset from reducing frags would make the bonus less appealing for gen party, but it also seems mostly agreed that D-stacks (which is the current inspiration for v2 of this thread) are not an issue when the gen is down, part of the reason it requires a "stack" being both polluting the stand with enough remote crap to prevent the need for a real HoF, and still having enough people to both defend and repair the generator, to keep said crap functioning. Truth be told, it's a delicate balance, and even after the flag/gener-defender relationship was fixed, people still have no idea how to gauge human resource distribution in pubs, and there is always going to be some degree of players thinking their only option in grinding this class is playing that role. Pub team draws so many guys grinding the same two defensive classes, and we have a problem that even scoring doesn't fix. _________________ Physics \| CTF Scoring \| Team Selection
Mon Feb 18, 2013 1:54 pm

LumensAquilae Joined: Fri Apr 01, 2011 2:04 am Posts: 277	Re: CTF Scoring V2 These changes seem like a push in the right direction. Does Defense Disruptor count destroying deployables?
Mon Feb 18, 2013 7:12 pm

illerFFN Joined: Wed Apr 14, 2010 6:52 pm Posts: 1174	Re: CTF Scoring V2 -AEnubis- wrote: Smart Return +200 when: Flag stays on stand for 10s after return. Flag is capped within 10s of return. Flag (dropped) is threatened in the field. excellent point here, shoving the flag up against a back-wall isn't the most sportsmanlike activity but some hard number changes are still needed to tell these Newbs what's up when they touch it despite us yelling V-F-S 5x right before hand...
Mon Feb 18, 2013 7:33 pm

vici Joined: Thu Apr 12, 2012 6:28 pm Posts: 169	Re: CTF Scoring V2 What are frags? I guess they're not frag grenades right? _________________ You can't get better at aiming from the forums. DearTyphoid wrote: Besides, the forum community is friendly, welcoming, helpful and well mannered.
Sat Mar 30, 2013 6:18 am

-AEnubis- Joined: Fri Aug 05, 2011 2:40 am Posts: 5290 Location: NA East	Re: CTF Scoring V2 Kills. _________________ Physics \| CTF Scoring \| Team Selection
Sat Mar 30, 2013 9:25 am

Spinebuster Joined: Fri Dec 23, 2011 8:28 pm Posts: 398	Re: CTF Scoring V2 V2? Im in.
Sat Mar 30, 2013 11:49 am

NetRat Joined: Thu Dec 01, 2011 11:36 pm Posts: 62	Re: CTF Scoring V2 I agree that updates are needed for scoring, especially for CTF. In competitive games, cappers are primarily grabbers and punters, only getting capture assist points. The highest scoring players are the ones that frag the most opponents, but this says nothing about how well they helped their team win or lose. _________________ NetRat
Mon Apr 01, 2013 12:43 pm

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-AEnubis-

Joined: Fri Aug 05, 2011 2:40 am
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CTF Scoring V2

A lot of the other ideas got implemented, and the game got better for it. Here is a revised version of the rest.

Frags from 400 to 300.
Assists from 250 to 200.
--Fragging should be of minimal reward unless done doing relevant tasks, as such the bonuses for frags in those areas should be more than the value of the frag alone.

Flag-Defender should be mirror by Defense-Hater. Same points, one accolade for flag related offense, the other for defense.
--Some of these may already be the case, whether they work correctly or not

Flag-Defender to be applied when:

Frags near your flag on the stand, or in the field.
EFC Frags.
Frags near EFC
FFDs.

Defense-Hater to be applied when:

Frags near the enemy flag on the stand or in the field.
Frags as the FFC.
Frags near the FFC (or players who recently damaged the FFC).
Frags in the enemy base (or near base assets).

Defense Disruptor - 50

Mine Clearer - 10
Small bonuses for destroying deployed defenses near the flag.

Flag Return:
Base Return - 100 (bronze) {2/3 of map on your side}
Mid Field Return - 200 (silver) {2/3 of map centered}
Deep Return 300 - (gold) {2/3 of map on their side}
Denied - 400 (obsidian) {25m of enemy stand}
Returns would be more valuable for offense.

Smart Return +200 when:
Flag stays on stand for 10s after return.
Flag is capped within 10s of return.
Flag (dropped) is threatened in the field.
--Reward good returns, and not "race your teammates to touch your flag."

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Mon Feb 18, 2013 1:18 pm

Melanious

Joined: Thu Apr 26, 2012 1:22 pm
Posts: 2232
Location: NA West

Re: CTF Scoring V2

Very nice, I approve of this message.

-AEnubis- wrote:

--Fragging should be of minimal reward unless done doing relevant tasks, as such the bonuses for frags in those areas should be more than the value of the frag alone.

As a strong fragger, I completely agree with this. Really no reason to give incentive to midfield fragging more then any role in the game.

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Mon Feb 18, 2013 1:33 pm

Galileus

Joined: Mon Jun 18, 2012 5:49 am
Posts: 1522

Re: CTF Scoring V2

I would rethink defence-hater for "in enemy base", waaaay too huge boost for fractal gene party. Otherwise? Huge +

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Mon Feb 18, 2013 1:42 pm

-AEnubis-

Joined: Fri Aug 05, 2011 2:40 am
Posts: 5290
Location: NA East

Re: CTF Scoring V2

Galileus wrote:

I would rethink defence-hater for "in enemy base", waaaay too huge boost for fractal gene party.

I did, it's a valid point, and that's why I thought I'd try "near assets" to include outdoor assets.

Hopefully the point offset from reducing frags would make the bonus less appealing for gen party, but it also seems mostly agreed that D-stacks (which is the current inspiration for v2 of this thread) are not an issue when the gen is down, part of the reason it requires a "stack" being both polluting the stand with enough remote crap to prevent the need for a real HoF, and still having enough people to both defend and repair the generator, to keep said crap functioning.

Truth be told, it's a delicate balance, and even after the flag/gener-defender relationship was fixed, people still have no idea how to gauge human resource distribution in pubs, and there is always going to be some degree of players thinking their only option in grinding this class is playing that role. Pub team draws so many guys grinding the same two defensive classes, and we have a problem that even scoring doesn't fix.

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Mon Feb 18, 2013 1:54 pm

LumensAquilae

Joined: Fri Apr 01, 2011 2:04 am
Posts: 277

Re: CTF Scoring V2

These changes seem like a push in the right direction.

Does Defense Disruptor count destroying deployables?

Mon Feb 18, 2013 7:12 pm

illerFFN

Joined: Wed Apr 14, 2010 6:52 pm
Posts: 1174

Re: CTF Scoring V2

-AEnubis- wrote:

Smart Return +200 when:
Flag stays on stand for 10s after return.
Flag is capped within 10s of return.
Flag (dropped) is threatened in the field.

excellent point here, shoving the flag up against a back-wall isn't the most sportsmanlike activity but some hard number changes are still needed to tell these Newbs what's up when they touch it despite us yelling V-F-S 5x right before hand...

Mon Feb 18, 2013 7:33 pm

vici

Joined: Thu Apr 12, 2012 6:28 pm
Posts: 169

Re: CTF Scoring V2

What are frags? I guess they're not frag grenades right?

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Sat Mar 30, 2013 6:18 am

-AEnubis-

Joined: Fri Aug 05, 2011 2:40 am
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Re: CTF Scoring V2

Kills.

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Sat Mar 30, 2013 9:25 am

Spinebuster

Joined: Fri Dec 23, 2011 8:28 pm
Posts: 398

Re: CTF Scoring V2

V2? Im in. :lol:

Sat Mar 30, 2013 11:49 am

NetRat

Joined: Thu Dec 01, 2011 11:36 pm
Posts: 62

Re: CTF Scoring V2

I agree that updates are needed for scoring, especially for CTF. In competitive games, cappers are primarily grabbers and punters, only getting capture assist points. The highest scoring players are the ones that frag the most opponents, but this says nothing about how well they helped their team win or lose.

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Mon Apr 01, 2013 12:43 pm

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