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GreekRage Joined: Mon Dec 05, 2011 1:51 pm Posts: 1164 Location: Sparta-Greece	Re: How to revive Tribes and gain massive players! CreativeConstraints wrote: Quote: How to revive Tribes and gain massive players Make a new game building on the legacy of the series, forgetting this one ever existed. hehe...ouch!! _________________ http://www.playapug.com
Fri Jun 28, 2013 1:28 pm

eureus Joined: Sun Nov 27, 2011 12:16 pm Posts: 614	Re: How to revive Tribes and gain massive players! Pathetic and worthless suggestion. The last thing the devs need to do is to waste time on a "story mode".
Fri Jun 28, 2013 9:51 pm

Mindflayr Joined: Mon Oct 25, 2010 6:11 pm Posts: 603	Re: How to revive Tribes and gain massive players! This idea worked extremely well for Vengeance..... owai. But Maybe HiRez can put those newbies who made Vengeance to shame since they suck at single player campaigns.. owait.. those guys made System Shock, SS2, BioShock et al, and The T:V Campaign mode was actually pretty darn good, but the money spent on it (the bulk of the money spent on the game) is why it died a quick and painful death (much faster than ascend is). Tribes wasnt made for single player campaign modes, its the best Multiplayer FPS ever made. HIRez realized this hence no single player, but still desired to "Make it their own game" hence the current situation. _________________ [CASi] Mindflayr - [CAS] - Clan Alpha Saber - Dedicated to serving the public/pubbing community. Visit Our Homebase at CAStribes.com Looking to join a clan but not sure where to start? The [CAS] Initiate program may be for you.
Tue Jul 09, 2013 2:59 pm

ObstinateOberon Joined: Thu Oct 04, 2012 5:02 pm Posts: 4	Re: How to revive Tribes and gain massive players! Simple, get rid of all hit-scan weapons and take Tribes back from the COD crowd.
Wed Jul 17, 2013 3:26 pm

GreekRage Joined: Mon Dec 05, 2011 1:51 pm Posts: 1164 Location: Sparta-Greece	Re: How to revive Tribes and gain massive players! Mindflayr wrote: This idea worked extremely well for Vengeance..... owai. . True.. I really enjoyed the story/tutorial with the challenges etc.. T2 also had this and gave a newbie some idea of how to play and what is important etc.. IF this game had it from start it would have been very cool..but at this point totaly useless.. _________________ http://www.playapug.com
Thu Jul 18, 2013 1:43 pm

Mindflayr Joined: Mon Oct 25, 2010 6:11 pm Posts: 603	Re: How to revive Tribes and gain massive players! Did you just true quote my sarastic comment about TVs fail , primarily caused by them putting 90% of the time/mpney on the game into the singleplayer? While it was an OK singleplayer game, that was theprimary reason TV failed and sold 57k copies in the 1st 6 months.
Thu Jul 18, 2013 4:34 pm

GreekRage Joined: Mon Dec 05, 2011 1:51 pm Posts: 1164 Location: Sparta-Greece	Re: How to revive Tribes and gain massive players! Mindflayr wrote: Did you just true quote my sarastic comment about TVs fail , primarily caused by them putting 90% of the time/mpney on the game into the singleplayer? While it was an OK singleplayer game, that was theprimary reason TV failed and sold 57k copies in the 1st 6 months. Yes i did and meant it.. You seem to forget that allmost EVERY fps back in the day started as a SP How can it be wrong to have a tutorial or storyline to get the new player interested and give him a helping boost in learning ??.. T.V failed for a lot of reasons..not just what you said.. Coming from T1/T2 i personally hated the game at start if only because it was a mutated version of a game i loved...adding that it was based on another game engine also gave one the feeling of a company out to make a fast buck. But i did enjoy the story even in T.V because it was different than all the rat tat tat shooters out at that time.. So again to clarify ...having a story or tutorial is NEVER a loss to the game (as long as its done correctly ) . TBH im installing both T2 and TV this weekend just to screw around with the stories... Lately ive been replaying all my older FPS games..like halflife,chrome,S.O.F wolfenstein etc.... _________________ http://www.playapug.com
Fri Jul 19, 2013 4:31 am

pala Joined: Tue Jun 28, 2011 7:40 am Posts: 915	Re: How to revive Tribes and gain massive players! I loved t2 single player campaing. Simple and fun. I was amazed when I played it first time! _________________
Fri Jul 19, 2013 11:20 am

Mindflayr Joined: Mon Oct 25, 2010 6:11 pm Posts: 603	Re: How to revive Tribes and gain massive players! You missed my Point. It was obvious from the get go in T:V beta when they gave us the Disc at TribalWars LAN/TribesCon 6 that not enough time went into the MP side of the game. It was later admitted to by 1 of the developers KP (KineticPoet of T1 Team Imperial Elite fame who also created the Team Rabbit/Team Rabbit 2 gametype that came to be known as Ball and Netball), that one of the biggest problems with the game was the Cost and time sunk into the Single Player causing a lack of dev time and funds to make a good MP. Was it a solid single player. YES. Was it a good tutorial to get people to leanr to ski, jet, etc. YES. Was it the Biggest barrier to the Multiplayer part of the game being Good. YES. They spent 90% of the time and money developing the SP campaign. Custom art used only 1 time, cut-scenes, and storyline writing/development all cost a buttload of money compared to Static repeatable Maps and Weaponry, and even physics code. The point of this thread was: Bearsssss wrote: A very great way to gain new players and bring back old ones would be to make a co-op campaign mode. Make new co-op campaign only weapons. Best part is you wouldnt have to go through hell to do so. You all ready have all the coding. Just make new campaign maps and missions and sub plots and deep story. And My reply was, 1 of the best SP game companies of all time (Still kicking out AAA Titles like BioShock Infinite) made a good SP campaign for tribes, and not only did the SP not sell the game (57k copies in 6 months compared with T2s 250k in the same timeframe) it also gutted the Multi-Player. It also took Year+ to develop that "solid" Single Player campaign. I appreciate what the OP was trying to say, but was pointing out that his idea/vision is misguided. Byt he time it could be done, this game would be dead entirely and TA:2 could be coming out. Would i like TA2 to hgave a short tutorial/SP mode to teach newbies... sure. Not happening for TA though. _________________ [CASi] Mindflayr - [CAS] - Clan Alpha Saber - Dedicated to serving the public/pubbing community. Visit Our Homebase at CAStribes.com Looking to join a clan but not sure where to start? The [CAS] Initiate program may be for you.
Fri Jul 19, 2013 1:32 pm

Melanious Joined: Thu Apr 26, 2012 1:22 pm Posts: 2232 Location: NA West	Re: How to revive Tribes and gain massive players! Mindflayr wrote: They spent 90% of the time and money developing the SP campaign. Custom art used only 1 time, cut-scenes, and storyline writing/development all cost a buttload of money compared to Static repeatable Maps and Weaponry, and even physics code. ^ I don't think people realize how much time/effort/money goes into SP portions of MP games. Its not going to happen, and honestly it shouldn't for T:A. For T:A2 they should do some form of tutorials similar to what T2 had though. They were essentially very simplified SP missions, and not many of them. They did well to teach the basics of the game, and didn't take much of a players time. I played them to death when I couldn't get online (lol dial up). I don't think anyone is against tutorials, its the idea of SP "campaign mode" that won't get support for a MP like Tribes. Imagine if HiRez had spent much if any time on a SP campaign... this game would have been worse then T:V. _________________
Fri Jul 19, 2013 4:52 pm

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GreekRage

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Re: How to revive Tribes and gain massive players!

CreativeConstraints wrote:

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How to revive Tribes and gain massive players

Make a new game building on the legacy of the series, forgetting this one ever existed.

hehe...ouch!! :lol:

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Fri Jun 28, 2013 1:28 pm

eureus

Joined: Sun Nov 27, 2011 12:16 pm
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Re: How to revive Tribes and gain massive players!

Pathetic and worthless suggestion. The last thing the devs need to do is to waste time on a "story mode".

Fri Jun 28, 2013 9:51 pm

Mindflayr

Joined: Mon Oct 25, 2010 6:11 pm
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Re: How to revive Tribes and gain massive players!

This idea worked extremely well for Vengeance..... owai.

But Maybe HiRez can put those newbies who made Vengeance to shame since they suck at single player campaigns.. owait.. those guys made System Shock, SS2, BioShock et al, and The T:V Campaign mode was actually pretty darn good, but the money spent on it (the bulk of the money spent on the game) is why it died a quick and painful death (much faster than ascend is).

Tribes wasnt made for single player campaign modes, its the best Multiplayer FPS ever made.

HIRez realized this hence no single player, but still desired to "Make it their own game" hence the current situation.

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Tue Jul 09, 2013 2:59 pm

ObstinateOberon

Joined: Thu Oct 04, 2012 5:02 pm
Posts: 4

Re: How to revive Tribes and gain massive players!

Simple, get rid of all hit-scan weapons and take Tribes back from the COD crowd.

Wed Jul 17, 2013 3:26 pm

GreekRage

Joined: Mon Dec 05, 2011 1:51 pm
Posts: 1164
Location: Sparta-Greece

Re: How to revive Tribes and gain massive players!

Mindflayr wrote:

This idea worked extremely well for Vengeance..... owai.

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True..
I really enjoyed the story/tutorial with the challenges etc..
T2 also had this and gave a newbie some idea of how to play and what is important etc..
IF this game had it from start it would have been very cool..but at this point totaly useless..

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Thu Jul 18, 2013 1:43 pm

Mindflayr

Joined: Mon Oct 25, 2010 6:11 pm
Posts: 603

Re: How to revive Tribes and gain massive players!

Did you just true quote my sarastic comment about TVs fail , primarily caused by them putting 90% of the time/mpney on the game into the singleplayer? While it was an OK singleplayer game, that was theprimary reason TV failed and sold 57k copies in the 1st 6 months.

Thu Jul 18, 2013 4:34 pm

GreekRage

Joined: Mon Dec 05, 2011 1:51 pm
Posts: 1164
Location: Sparta-Greece

Re: How to revive Tribes and gain massive players!

Mindflayr wrote:

Yes i did and meant it..
You seem to forget that allmost EVERY fps back in the day started as a SP

How can it be wrong to have a tutorial or storyline to get the new player interested and give him a helping boost in learning ??..

T.V failed for a lot of reasons..not just what you said..
Coming from T1/T2 i personally hated the game at start if only because it was a mutated version of a game i loved...adding that it was based on another game engine also gave one the feeling of a company out to make a fast buck.

But i did enjoy the story even in T.V because it was different than all the rat tat tat shooters out at that time..

So again to clarify ...having a story or tutorial is NEVER a loss to the game (as long as its done correctly ) .
TBH im installing both T2 and TV this weekend just to screw around with the stories...
Lately ive been replaying all my older FPS games..like halflife,chrome,S.O.F wolfenstein etc....

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Fri Jul 19, 2013 4:31 am

pala

Joined: Tue Jun 28, 2011 7:40 am
Posts: 915

Re: How to revive Tribes and gain massive players!

I loved t2 single player campaing. Simple and fun. I was amazed when I played it first time!

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Fri Jul 19, 2013 11:20 am

Mindflayr

Joined: Mon Oct 25, 2010 6:11 pm
Posts: 603

Re: How to revive Tribes and gain massive players!

You missed my Point. It was obvious from the get go in T:V beta when they gave us the Disc at TribalWars LAN/TribesCon 6 that not enough time went into the MP side of the game. It was later admitted to by 1 of the developers KP (KineticPoet of T1 Team Imperial Elite fame who also created the Team Rabbit/Team Rabbit 2 gametype that came to be known as Ball and Netball), that one of the biggest problems with the game was the Cost and time sunk into the Single Player causing a lack of dev time and funds to make a good MP.

Was it a solid single player. YES. Was it a good tutorial to get people to leanr to ski, jet, etc. YES. Was it the Biggest barrier to the Multiplayer part of the game being Good. YES. They spent 90% of the time and money developing the SP campaign. Custom art used only 1 time, cut-scenes, and storyline writing/development all cost a buttload of money compared to Static repeatable Maps and Weaponry, and even physics code.

The point of this thread was:

Bearsssss wrote:

A very great way to gain new players and bring back old ones would be to make a co-op campaign mode. Make new co-op campaign only weapons. Best part is you wouldnt have to go through hell to do so. You all ready have all the coding. Just make new campaign maps and missions and sub plots and deep story.

And My reply was, 1 of the best SP game companies of all time (Still kicking out AAA Titles like BioShock Infinite) made a good SP campaign for tribes, and not only did the SP not sell the game (57k copies in 6 months compared with T2s 250k in the same timeframe) it also gutted the Multi-Player. It also took Year+ to develop that "solid" Single Player campaign.

I appreciate what the OP was trying to say, but was pointing out that his idea/vision is misguided. Byt he time it could be done, this game would be dead entirely and TA:2 could be coming out. Would i like TA2 to hgave a short tutorial/SP mode to teach newbies... sure. Not happening for TA though.

Fri Jul 19, 2013 1:32 pm

Melanious

Joined: Thu Apr 26, 2012 1:22 pm
Posts: 2232
Location: NA West

Re: How to revive Tribes and gain massive players!

Mindflayr wrote:

They spent 90% of the time and money developing the SP campaign. Custom art used only 1 time, cut-scenes, and storyline writing/development all cost a buttload of money compared to Static repeatable Maps and Weaponry, and even physics code.

^

I don't think people realize how much time/effort/money goes into SP portions of MP games. Its not going to happen, and honestly it shouldn't for T:A. For T:A2 they should do some form of tutorials similar to what T2 had though. They were essentially very simplified SP missions, and not many of them. They did well to teach the basics of the game, and didn't take much of a players time. I played them to death when I couldn't get online (lol dial up).

I don't think anyone is against tutorials, its the idea of SP "campaign mode" that won't get support for a MP like Tribes. Imagine if HiRez had spent much if any time on a SP campaign... this game would have been worse then T:V. :shock:

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Fri Jul 19, 2013 4:52 pm

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