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Lesteriuse Joined: Mon Feb 20, 2012 4:39 pm Posts: 1893 Location: Zagreb, Croatia	Re: Is Tribes Ascend dead? VirTW wrote: People d stack because it's fun for them and they have talent do so its not really fun, just less terrible _________________ A thread on performance bottlenecks in the engine and what needs to be optimised My blueplate/mid-air nitron montage
Wed Jul 24, 2013 8:02 pm

Aranha Joined: Fri Nov 14, 2008 8:50 am Posts: 1556 Location: Stockholm, Sweden	Re: Is Tribes Ascend dead? Pumpelche wrote: People D-stack because they're little plonkers and can't reach anything but fragging, even chosing there the way of the least resistance. Pfff - and that is the future of our countries economy. Im allways thinking: What if mortars could shoot longer then old grannies throwing a basket ball? _________________ EU London - [iSMG] Karmasutra Karma's Data Thread! Weapon Data & Test Lab
Wed Jul 24, 2013 8:47 pm

Pumpelche Joined: Tue Aug 09, 2011 2:22 am Posts: 2000 Location: Switzerland Steam Gamer Name: Pumpelche	Re: Is Tribes Ascend dead? They shall give the mortar just the range the Arx Buster has - and fine is ;) _________________ REMOVED FROM THE HARDDRIVE - GG HR LOSERS How God imagined Juggernauts should be played..
Thu Jul 25, 2013 2:11 am

Whitewhale Joined: Wed Oct 27, 2010 11:09 pm Posts: 3587	Re: Is Tribes Ascend dead? fusion mortar deluxe has a massive firing ranges, it has 99 problems but its range aint one d stacking often happens in tribes cause its generally easier to pub d than pub o unless u have a team playing alot of o ascend just exaggerates it cause deployables and snipers are so strong and each weapon has high dps compared to most other tribes games
Thu Jul 25, 2013 3:22 am

Melanious Joined: Thu Apr 26, 2012 1:22 pm Posts: 2232 Location: NA West	Re: Is Tribes Ascend dead? Whitewhale wrote: ascend just exaggerates it cause deployables and snipers are so strong and each weapon has high dps compared to most other tribes games ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ _________________
Thu Jul 25, 2013 11:24 am

Mindflayr Joined: Mon Oct 25, 2010 6:11 pm Posts: 603	Re: Is Tribes Ascend dead? Melanious wrote: Whitewhale wrote: ascend just exaggerates it cause deployables and snipers are so strong and each weapon has high dps compared to most other tribes games ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Whitewhale and i spent a decent amount of time arguing in TA beta, but seem to wholeheartedly agree on the product after the fact.
Sat Jul 27, 2013 1:03 am

socalPK Joined: Sun Nov 27, 2011 7:28 pm Posts: 529 Location: Southern California, USA	Re: Is Tribes Ascend dead? Mindflayr wrote: Melanious wrote: Whitewhale wrote: ascend just exaggerates it cause deployables and snipers are so strong and each weapon has high dps compared to most other tribes games ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Whitewhale and i spent a decent amount of time arguing in TA beta, but seem to wholeheartedly agree on the product after the fact. This comes down to map design decisions IMO. No fog equals more effective snipers covering the whole of smaller maps which are all outdoor for the most part. As far as deployables go, previous Tribes had bases with actual protected flags, either indoor flag placements or often some sort of natural protection or limitation slowing down direct access and movement of flags, Ascend is sped up greatly in almost every way. Bases had outdoor turrets and indoor motion sensitive shielded turrets in strategic locations which were often quite effective (unlike Ascend)....as long as the gen and in some cases secondary power was up the bases offered some viable defense on their own. How deployables are in Ascend seems to me to be an attempt to balance how easy the flag is to get at high speed as Ascend was designed from a map and movement perspective. Funny thing to me is the most complained deployables, turrets, actually do little to stop cappers anyway (at least if they are moving at speed), they are highly vulnerable and weak and limited in their tactical deployment (lack wall and ceiling options). They are more helpful at slowing down attackers or finishing them off than anything else, on their own they do little unless en mass. Overall they simply slow down the game and interfere with base TDMing, and force people to play gens to effectively take out the defense. Things many of today's Ascend players simply don't want and even resent. _________________ Tribes: Ascend - NA West [TBZ]socalpk Tribes: {BZ}PK - Team Battlezone More Game Less Attitude
Sun Jul 28, 2013 11:16 am

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Lesteriuse

Joined: Mon Feb 20, 2012 4:39 pm
Posts: 1893
Location: Zagreb, Croatia

Re: Is Tribes Ascend dead?

VirTW wrote:

People d stack because it's fun for them and they have talent do so

its not really fun, just less terrible

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A thread on performance bottlenecks in the engine and what needs to be optimised
My blueplate/mid-air nitron montage

Wed Jul 24, 2013 8:02 pm

Aranha

Joined: Fri Nov 14, 2008 8:50 am
Posts: 1556
Location: Stockholm, Sweden

Re: Is Tribes Ascend dead?

Pumpelche wrote:

People D-stack because they're little plonkers and can't reach anything but fragging, even chosing there the way of the least resistance. Pfff - and that is the future of our countries economy.

Im allways thinking: What if mortars could shoot longer then old grannies throwing a basket ball?

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EU London - [iSMG] Karmasutra
Karma's Data Thread! Weapon Data & Test Lab

Wed Jul 24, 2013 8:47 pm

Pumpelche

Joined: Tue Aug 09, 2011 2:22 am
Posts: 2000
Location: Switzerland
Steam Gamer Name: Pumpelche

Re: Is Tribes Ascend dead?

They shall give the mortar just the range the Arx Buster has - and fine is ;)

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How God imagined Juggernauts should be played..

Thu Jul 25, 2013 2:11 am

Whitewhale

Joined: Wed Oct 27, 2010 11:09 pm
Posts: 3587

Re: Is Tribes Ascend dead?

fusion mortar deluxe has a massive firing ranges, it has 99 problems but its range aint one

d stacking often happens in tribes cause its generally easier to pub d than pub o unless u have a team playing alot of o

ascend just exaggerates it cause deployables and snipers are so strong and each weapon has high dps compared to most other tribes games

Thu Jul 25, 2013 3:22 am

Melanious

Joined: Thu Apr 26, 2012 1:22 pm
Posts: 2232
Location: NA West

Re: Is Tribes Ascend dead?

Whitewhale wrote:

ascend just exaggerates it cause deployables and snipers are so strong and each weapon has high dps compared to most other tribes games

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

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Thu Jul 25, 2013 11:24 am

Mindflayr

Joined: Mon Oct 25, 2010 6:11 pm
Posts: 603

Re: Is Tribes Ascend dead?

Melanious wrote:

Whitewhale wrote:

ascend just exaggerates it cause deployables and snipers are so strong and each weapon has high dps compared to most other tribes games

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Whitewhale and i spent a decent amount of time arguing in TA beta, but seem to wholeheartedly agree on the product after the fact.

Sat Jul 27, 2013 1:03 am

socalPK

Joined: Sun Nov 27, 2011 7:28 pm
Posts: 529
Location: Southern California, USA

Re: Is Tribes Ascend dead?

Mindflayr wrote:

Melanious wrote:

Whitewhale wrote:

ascend just exaggerates it cause deployables and snipers are so strong and each weapon has high dps compared to most other tribes games

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Whitewhale and i spent a decent amount of time arguing in TA beta, but seem to wholeheartedly agree on the product after the fact.

This comes down to map design decisions IMO. No fog equals more effective snipers covering the whole of smaller maps which are all outdoor for the most part.

As far as deployables go, previous Tribes had bases with actual protected flags, either indoor flag placements or often some sort of natural protection or limitation slowing down direct access and movement of flags, Ascend is sped up greatly in almost every way. Bases had outdoor turrets and indoor motion sensitive shielded turrets in strategic locations which were often quite effective (unlike Ascend)....as long as the gen and in some cases secondary power was up the bases offered some viable defense on their own. How deployables are in Ascend seems to me to be an attempt to balance how easy the flag is to get at high speed as Ascend was designed from a map and movement perspective.

Funny thing to me is the most complained deployables, turrets, actually do little to stop cappers anyway (at least if they are moving at speed), they are highly vulnerable and weak and limited in their tactical deployment (lack wall and ceiling options). They are more helpful at slowing down attackers or finishing them off than anything else, on their own they do little unless en mass. Overall they simply slow down the game and interfere with base TDMing, and force people to play gens to effectively take out the defense. Things many of today's Ascend players simply don't want and even resent.

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Tribes: Ascend - NA West
[TBZ]socalpk

Tribes:
{BZ}PK - Team Battlezone

More Game Less Attitude

Sun Jul 28, 2013 11:16 am

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